Petition & comments

Petition

The on-line petition received 572 signatures from supporters from as far away as Plymouth and Aberdeen! 

PETITION - FINAL SCORE        572
   
Area Signatures
   
Paper from the Public Meeting 52
ON-LINE  
Elstead  175
Haslemere, Hindhead  54
Aberdeen > Plymouth , etc  53
Godalming  36
Milford, Witley  32
Guildford, Woking  22
Farnham  22
Aldershot, Camberley   20
Tongham & Tilford  16
Farnham  15
Esher, Epsom  15
Thursley  14
Headley, Bordon  12
Shackleford, Peper Harow  9
Churt   7
Bramshott, Liphook  7
Normandy, Compton 6
Church Crookham, Fleet  5
   
Total 572

The comments below all come from the PATH opinion survey. Most cite long and generally happy use of Hankley Common over many years. Causes for specific complaint include the changed attitude of Landmarc employees during the past two years and the unpleasantness caused by dog owners who do not clear up after them. This problem has been considerably reduced now by the installation of waste bins at the car parks round the Common.

  • “I am an amputee and would not be able to access the common if there was not a car park and I would not be able to own a dog and have used Hankley Common for the past 41 years.  There was a great deal more military action on the common years ago with parachute jumping etc. “
  • “Have visited, horse rode, cycled over the lasts 37 years and wish to be allowed to continue enjoying the countryside.  Family of 3 boys have loved cycling at Hankley.”
  • “The common is a very beautiful place throughout the seasons.  It should be considered as a tourist attraction.  Access for public is important.”
  • “The one-hour walks from the Dropping Zone are some of the best on Hankley.”
  • “Horse access –safe (family accident with horse).  Totally inappropriate approach by Landmarc.  Happy to be involved – lived in Churt 30 years,”
  • “In 25 years of regular use of the common especially on horseback I have never been warned off or asked to leave by any uniformed soldier engaged in training.  They have always been friendly and courteous.”
  • “The abundance of paths and views and the ability to find a quiet place to gather thoughts is the main reason for my living in Elstead.  It used to be the only reason for living here.”
  • “Have used Hankley since 1968 – extensively in my younger days and before that as a serving solider.”
  • Have been walking & riding on Hankley for over 40 years, this enjoyment has been mostly ended by the rude Landmarc Ranger. I do not understand why Riders with a permit can the ride on all paths, whereas non permit holders have to stick to bridleways. Can a soldier on a training exercise distinguish between the two?! Or will the permit holders soon find that the terms & conditions they have agreed to are to become more restrictive?!
  • I would suggest the deployment of "poo bins" in the car park which would encourage people to collect dog mess.      [DONE]
  •  Dogs are a problem.
  •  I am 80 and find climbing hills difficult, so the present car park at the top of the hill is ideal. Also the surrounding areas at the bottoms of the hills are not negotiable in wet weather. The top of the hill walks are always viable. If money is the real motive, I suggest 50p each car would be acceptable to most people.
  • Great walking country, plenty of variety and beautiful views. Soldiers very friendly and professional when we meet them. Pity about the dog mess above the DZ car park. 
  • Please don't let this happen - it is such a special place for families to walk on and enjoy. It really would be a tragic loss to us if it was lost for our use. I'm sure some kind of compromise could be found. I totally understand the militaries need to train unhindered. But they can't need to do it 24 hours of every day. 
    Times they are not using it could be used for public recreation and to that end would promote good feeling and goodwill between the army and that would otherwise be lost. Please take heed of the strong feelings running about this. Thank you.
  •  I always enjoy visiting Hankley Common. I've never had any problems with any other users (including army), with the exception of occasional dogs not under the owners' control, or dog mess not being removed.
  •  We have walked this common for about 40 years, and the closure of the Drooping Zone car park or restrictions to bridleways would be intolerable. We have doubts about the long term plans of the MoD.
  •  Troops are friendly and helpful. I have reciprocated by assisting when required with guiding lost cadets. Landmarc staff used to be helpful too. But over the past two years they have become unpleasant and aggressive. It's like they want to make the experience a negative one. Shame on them!
  • Having walked and previously cycled Hankley Common for something approaching 55 years I find it particularly sad that the military now consider that this small car park interferes with their training particularly in view of the fact they seem to have no difficulty training on this common when it is being used for cycling events and more recently, what I believe was the "iron man run", when they opened up the whole of the dropping zone bowl area for parking. It’s now being used for a film set but the military seem to be able to work around this perfectly alright. The common is one of the largest pieces of open walking land in the area and, being so open, it is particularly safe for women walking on their own, even the presence of the military helps in this respect. 
  • The common is a particularly diverse mix of open heathland and light woodlands and the sight of the heather in bloom is just wonderful, as is watching the sunrise early. It does not take a lot of effort to avoid the military when they are training although it is possible to walk into them unexpectedly when they are well camouflaged even so they are always very polite. 
    I think the situation would be considerably improved if the dog walking fraternity was to make a greater effort not only to clean up after their animals but also to take it away with them, not leave it in the bags dropped alongside the paths. This is particularly noticeable after weekends and some of the worst offenders are the "so called professional dog walkers" who have several dogs with them and cannot possibly watch every dog all the time.
    As a final thought it would be interesting to know, at a period of severe financial restraint which includes the military, what the costs will be in opening up a new car park.
  • Walking the dogs with the family - have to drive there and park up in the car park under threat of closure. Cannot imagine trying to get 3 kids under 5 up that hill from the polish camp car park but I guess that's the point - to stop people using the common. I've walked there for many years and have never had a problem and always avoided exercises. I've often been woken up by the gunfire on night exercises and conversely found it difficult to sleep despite living in West Hill which you'd think is too far away for that to occur - I've never complained about it though. I can't believe public money is being spent on changing car parks like this.
     
  • On the common nearly every day with dog!!! Walk, run or drive depending on time and energy!!! Very busy there this morning!!!! Filming in the bowl and lots of army training!!! They didn't bother me and I kept out of their way. It was glorious in the winter sun!!! One lady complained about having to keep her dog on the lead as the bangs were scaring her dog but it is their land!!! 
  • We take a 40 minute walk on the common about 4 mornings a week. Parking in the main car park or on the approach road if heading over towards Houndown. I also run on the common for an hour or so most weekends, again using the main car park.
  •  We use the car park to keep my daughter and her pony safe from the speeding traffic on the lanes...
  • Sadly, small children will become a rare sight on these child-friendly paths, as the new car park is too far away for these paths to continue to be accessible. 
  • Wonderful place to walk, not so good for cycling because of the sandy tracks in some areas. Pity about the dog mess at the central car park.
  • Please don't let this happen - it is such a special place for families to walk on and enjoy.  It really would be a tragic loss to us if it was lost for our use.  I'm sure sure some kind of compromise could be found.  I totally understand the militaries need to train unhindered.  But they can't need to do it 24 hours of every day.  Times they are not using it could be used for public recreation and to that end would promote goodfeeling and goodwill between the army and the public  that would otherwise be lost.  Please take heed of the strong feelings running about this.  Thankyou
  • Have been walking & riding on Hankley for over 40 years, this enjoyment has been mostly ended by the rude Landmarc Ranger.
  • I do not understand why Riders with a permit can the ride on all paths, whereas non permit holders have to stick to bridleways. Can a soldier on a training exercise distinguish between the two?! Or will the permit holders soon find that the terms & conditions they have agreed to are to become more restrictive?!
  • Don't very often see the Army. Dog won't go there when they are firing.
  • Rather than close the car park, get the Army to stop firing and making noises that scare the dogs!
  • This is our common land. There are plenty of more secluded places they could go. What on earth is wrong with Salisbury plain?
  • It's a wonderful place to go for walks.  Beautiful countryside and excellent paths.
  • I always enjoy visiting Hankley Common.
  • I've never had any problems with any other users (including army), with the exception of occasional dogs not under the owners' control, or dog mess not being removed.
  • We have walked this common for about 40 years, and the closure of the Drooping Zone car park or restrictions to bridleways would be intolerable.
  • Troops are friendly and helpful. I have reciprocated by assisting when required with guiding lost cadets. Landmarc staff used to be helpful too. But over the past two years they have become unpleasant and aggressive. It's like they want to make the experience a negative one. Shame on them.
  • Having walked and previously cycled Hankley Common for something approaching 55 years I find it particularly sad that the military now consider that this small car park interferes with their training particularly in view of the fact they seem to have no difficulty training on this common when it is being used for cycling events and more recently, what I believe was the "iron man run", when they opened up the whole of the dropping zone bowl area for parking.    Its now being used for a film set but the military seem to be able to work around this perfectly alright.
  • The common itself is one of the largest pieces of  open walking land in the area and, being so open, it is particularly safe for women walking on their own, even the presence of the military helps in this respect.     The common itself is a particularly diverse mix of open heathland and light woodlands and the sight of the heather in bloom is just wonderful, as is watching the sunrise early in the morning.
  • It does not take a lot of effort to avoid the military when they are training although it is possible to walk into them unexpectedly when they are well camoflaged even so they are always very polite.
  • I think the situation would be considerably improved if the dog walking fraternity was to make a greater effort not only to clean up after their animals but also to take it away with them, not leave it in the bags dropped alongside the paths.     This is particularly noticeable after weekends and some of the worst offenders are the "so called professional dog walkers" who have several dogs with them and cannot possible watch every dog all the time. 
  • If the army are going to increase use of pyrotechnics and firing blank ammunition, surely they have a duty to advise the local community and users of Hankley Common when these activities are scheduled to take place - by posting notices/ warning signs/ flags etc - I think you would find the majority of people would then avoid the area when the army is active in the area.
  • Do they also propose to increase their activities to the east of Elstead (near the Moat etc)?
  • There is a real danger that the MOD/ Army could seriously alieniate local people if they fail to manage their estate without any proper consideration for the community.
  • Hankley / Elstead is not a remote location on Salisbury Plain and it is time some common sense is applied to the management of their estate
  • Its a wonderful place to be in terms of history, what went on there, seeing sights of army training or drag hunting. I have very well trained dogs (and children) whom we all enjoy walking and even little things like seeing a snake!! I have boxed my horse there many years ago - I remember having a race there with some friends) and more recently the last few years have boxed my childrens ponies - often with my bike too so we can explore. Exploring is important - seeing the shape of the terrain, the ancient tracks, the streams and river. Clambering up hills in the snow, idle picnics in the sun. Not always meeting many people - its so large. New tracks to explore, new things to see, the humm of a land rover in the distance, or firing of shots and shouts. it all makes Hankley the most amazing place to be and want to return again and again. Especially as Big land owners are locking gates and fencing off fields that have been ridden (with consideration, respect and happy aknowledgement) for over 20 yrs in peace - now tip toed down with beating heart waiting for a shout ' get off my land', that scares my children. there are so few places to go now. Its so good for children to walk, run or throw themselves roly poly fashion down the hills and banks. Hankley offers relaxed happy exercise whether on foot, bike or horse. We cant lose it.
  • Some photos taken while out on my early morning run..http://gallery.me.com/chrisoco2307#100048&bgcolor=black&view=grid
  • My wife and I have lived in Elstead since 1969 and have regularly visited the dropping Zone for walks by ourselves with our children and more recenlly with grandchildren.From the early days when the paras were regularly jumping out of ballons or Hercules aircraft until the present day we have never had any problems walking on the common or in the car park. Unfortunately we have been away and missed the meeting on 10th Feb and it seems we are too late to sign the petition.
  • I just cannot understand why the MOD want to close this amenity.
  • The amount of Dogs and the mess that they leave behind is out of control, you wouldnt leave it in your garden so why leave it on common land and its not just Hankley. This site and many others have a S.S.S.I value, people need to understand and respect the areas they are walking in.
  • We frequently walk on Hankley (though not so frequently since we lost our dog).
  • At all times and in all weathers there is something special about the common which is not to be found on the other local open heathlands. For an example of this you may care to take a look at the YouTube video I made in November http://youtu.be/knLkuo7ceog. Please feel free to use it in any publicity to prevent our loss of access to the common.
  • It is a beautiful place.  Wonderful sunsets.  Major Surrey site for Nightjars.