Clacton Debating Society

December

Sixteen people attended the Christmas Balloon Debate when 4 panellists argued over which was "The Best Christmas Present to buy a Wealthy, Elderly Aunt". It was a closely fought contest but amid much hilarity, the Chelsea Flower Show, the Elixir of Youth and A Permanent Place at the Family Table were ejected leaving Lorry Greenall's choice of A Book of Promises as the final winner.  Afterwards those present shared Yuletide refreshments and a Christmas Raffle. 

November

More people than usual attended a very thought provoking debate about whether "Assisted Suicide shoul be made Legal".  The obviously sensitive and emotive issue resulted in 10 votes for the motion, 3 against and 6 abstentions.

October

A small but hardy group braved the torrential rain to discuss items of topical interest including potential solutions to the UK energy requirements, whether it is ever acceptable for politicians to accept freebies, and if  it is time to move the Doomsday Clock forward to midnight.

September

Unfortunately the proposed debate about assisted suicide had to be cancelled again.  However Jean Cheek and Helen Rees stepped in and debated whether "The NHS should be privatised". The final result was 11 against with 2 abstentions but all agreed that the structure of the NHS needs some changes!

August

The August debate centred on items of topical interest.   Understandably, worries about the recent outbreak of riots, why they were happening and how they might be prevented, took up the majority of time. The issues currently surrounding "Strictly"  were also explored and whether they complicated raising matters of concern in an appropriate manner. Finally, those present shared their thoughts on how the town of Clacton could be upgraded to match the beauty of  Pier Gardens and the seafront  followed by what made people feel happy in their own skin. 

July

There was a good turnout of people for the July debate on items of topical interest.  As to be expected on the eve of the General Election the discussions focussed on all things political: whether there should be age or other restrictions placed  on frontline politicians and if changes should be made to our electoral system to make it more representative of the UK population. Also under consideration were the effects of floating voters on election outcomes  as well as how Clacton might now be viewed in light of the charismatic candidates standing locally.  Finally those present reflected on whether they would get involved or walk on by when confronted with a difficult situation.  All topics prompted lively discussion from the floor.  
 
June
 

The motion for the June debate was "The death sentence needs to be reinstated". Proposer Jean Cheek argued that most UK murders are random acts, happen for trivial reasons, are committed by people who place no value on human life and who are not bothered by the potential consequences of their actions. She felt that the average life sentence of only 10 years is not a disincentive to most killers who seem content to serve their time in prison, free from worry because their basic needs are being met by the taxpayer. She considered that as a result prisons had become overcrowded, are costly to run and  bringing back the death penalty as a deterrent is the only viable option to break the cycle of violent crime. 

Opposer Helen Rees disagreed stating that punishing people by death is wrong and only serves to bring us down to the level of the offender. It is sought by people who want revenge but it has no place in a civilised society. She reasoned that the  death penalty in some places in America did not appear to improve their murder rates, which are greater than in Europe where the Convention of Human Rights prohibits it’s use. She maintained that many people convicted of murder go on to commit suicide while in prison. Also there are numerous miscarriages of justice but there is no way back once the death sentence has been carried out.  

Following a wide range of thoughtful comments from the floor, the motion was defeated by 7 votes to 4 with 2 abstentions.

May

For the May debate, a mother and son team got together to contest the motion: "Advice from Elders should always be respected”. Proposer Mary Lane defined ‘respect’ as treating people with deferential politeness and esteem and said it should always be given to the elderly because they have an abundance of knowledge and wisdom gained over many years from reflecting on their mistakes and that should be revered. After all, the elderly know what it is like to be young but the young do not know what it is like to be old. This limited experience meant the young were incapable of possessing a really deep understanding of events in their life.  Furthermore, their insistence in foolish and erroneous ideas often led to obstinacy and pig headedness.

Opposer Chris Lane disagreed, citing ‘Elders’ as being a relative term and not just confined to those of advanced years. However, placing  focus on the word ‘always’, he argued that experience was not just the sole prerogative of older people who could also be narrow minded and give nonsensical advice. In the past the young only had their elders to provide them with guidance but in this fast changing world, progress  depended on younger, radical, free thinking people able to access a plethora of information on the internet. In addition, directives given from a stance of domination and control could be extremely harmful. 

Following varied and amusing contributions from the floor, the motion was narrowly defeated.

April

At the April session, those present discussed a variety of topical issues including whether Mental Health problems are becoming fashionable, Research into Near Death Experiences should be properly funded, Joe Biden is too old for another Presidential term and the BBC should read out the names of all 32,000 killed in Palestine not just the British Aid Workers. A lot of lively and thoughtful views were shared and debated.

March

 The motion for the Debate on March 6th was " That this country needs to return all stolen artifacts to their original owners" It was proposed by Rick Tracey who made a wide-ranging and entertaining case that stolen works of art and antiquity were taken by the British, who were foreign invaders without the right to remove these artifacts from those who had made them. In the case of the Elgin Marbles it is on record that they were paid for but Rick argued that they should be restored to the part of them which is still in Greece, it would be right that they could be viewed in their original location.  
Chris Lane, opposing made two points against the accusation that these treasures have to be returned on moral grounds. a) That  acceptable ethical standards in mid Victorian times were different from ours are now and therefore we  should not judge according to what would pass as right or wrong then. b) Most of what was taken came from small city states or provinces or indeed empires which have now been incorporated into nation states and so they do not exist anymore. The speeches of both speakers were enjoyed; the motion was defeated with several abstentions.
 
February
 

For the February debate, Helen Rees proposed the motion: "Our political leaders have only represented one side of the conflict in the Middle East”. She provided a succinct history of events leading up to the current day crisis starting with the Balfour Declaration of 1917 which expressed the British Government’s support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine. She felt that no foreign power should have imposed the sectioning of an Arab land for another nation as it would not have been tolerated anywhere else in the world and had only served to worsen the relationship between Jews and Arabs. She stated that in recent times, the mortality rate was much higher for Palestine but despite this, our politicians only appeared to be supporting Israel.  

Opposer Chris Lane disagreed citing numerous articles where both Conservative and Labour leaders had spoken out against the use of violence on both sides and had specified their support for a more normalised, stable and secure two state solution acting within international, humanitarian law. However he believed that our politicians were right to make it clear that Israel should be able to defend itself against acts of terrorism as long as only reasonable force was used and consideration was given for human life.  Furthermore he asserted that our politicians were trying to encourage a future where the prospect of progress could be made in enabling peace for all concerned.

Following a variety of thought provoking responses from the floor, the motion was overwhelmingly defeated. 

January

Storm Henk  did not put off members turning up in January when Diana Hanna proposed that "Dogs make better companions than Cats". Ann Gilbey opposed the motion. The debate was light hearted, good humoured and with much laughter.  The result was a tie with 3 abstentions